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Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

DemonicKidney
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Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby DemonicKidney » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:12 pm

Party A and Party B have a joint tenancy over a £400k property. This is both parties’ BTL/second home.

It has a £250k mortgage in both names.

Suppose Party A (genuinely) gifts his "50% share” of property to Party B for £0.
Party B takes out a new BTL mortgage on the Property to the sum of £225k (let’s say she has £25k to pay off on the mortgage when she takes out a new mortgage. She cannot pay the whole £250k mortgage all at once, though!)

(They’re not Connected Persons (as per CGT); they’re not married or in a relationship nor parents/children. Was worth £320k on purchase so £40k capital gain each)

Is any SDLT due on the mortgaged amount before or after the transaction?

Is there a way they can order the transactions to avoid SDLT (as Party B would be a second home owner, the higher rate is due even on £125k half-mortgage.)

  • HMRC website says: "If the larger share is given outright as a gift If you take a bigger share but don’t pay anything in return, there’s no ‘consideration’ given including taking on liability for a mortgage. You won’t pay SDLT, even if the value of the extra part of the share is more than the SDLT threshold."
  • HMRC documents says:
    “Where there is the release or assumption of a debt (or the transfer of a property subject to a debt) the debt can constitute chargeable consideration for SDLT purposes. The relevant provisions are in paragraph 8 of Schedule 4 FA 2003.

    The basic rule is that where the consideration for a land transaction consists in whole or in part of:
    1) the satisfaction or release of debt due to the purchaser or owed by the vendor (paragraph 8(1)(a)); or
    2) the assumption of ‘existing debt’ by the purchaser (paragraph 8(1)(b)),
    the amount of debt satisfied, released or assumed is taken to be the whole or, as the case may be, part of the chargeable consideration for the transaction.

    Where:
    1) debt is secured on the property immediately before and after the land transaction; and
    2) the rights or liabilities of any party in relation to that debt are changed as a result of or in connection with the transaction,
    there is taken to be an assumption of debt by the purchaser falling within paragraph 8(1)(b).

    This is an anti-avoidance provision intended to prevent parties temporarily paying off secured debt before property is transferred and reinstating it immediately afterwards.
  • I’m aware mortgages = chargeable consideration for SDLT. I’m aware this may be worsening things from CGT perspective as Party B acquires half the property at £0(!)…
  • I’ve also had a read of this: sdlt-due-on-transfer-of-equity-btl-t49049.html
Obviously we will continue to seek professional advice on this, but sometimes a steer and multiple pair of eyes is helpful in exploring opportunities. Thank you for your thoughts.

maths
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby maths » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:43 pm

The gift precipitates a CGT charge on the part of the donor based on market value.

If the donee does not taken on the 50% mortgage of the donor then no SDLT charge. If the donee does take on the 50% mortgage then SDLT applies based on 50% of 250k.

DemonicKidney
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby DemonicKidney » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:02 pm

Thanks!

Is there a minimum time period upon receiving a gift of a property that had a mortgage on it, before you can take out a further mortgage on it?

And to clarify, if Party B takes out a smaller mortgage on the property after the gift than was initially present between both parties, they would only pay SDLT on the newly mortgaged half, not the initially mortgaged half?

maths
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby maths » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:03 pm

Is there a minimum time period upon receiving a gift of a property that had a mortgage on it, before you can take out a further mortgage on it?
No.
And to clarify, if Party B takes out a smaller mortgage on the property after the gift than was initially present between both parties, they would only pay SDLT on the newly mortgaged half, not the initially mortgaged half?
SDLT is on chargeable consideration. Hence, on A making gift to B if B assumes A's share of mortgage that is the consideration and thus it is the mortgage outstanding at date of gift ie on your figure 50% of 250K.

DemonicKidney
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby DemonicKidney » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:40 pm

So when the HMRC website says: "there’s no ‘consideration’ given including taking on liability for a mortgage. " if it's been given as a gift... presumably that means you can't take another mortgage out on that amount?

Thanks for all the help!

maths
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby maths » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:15 pm

Can you refer me to website quote?

DemonicKidney
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby DemonicKidney » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:24 pm

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/sdlt-transf ... r-property , under the subheading 'If the larger share is given outright as a gift".
:?:

maths
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby maths » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:58 pm

Thanks. Not relevant in your case.

SDLT Geek
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby SDLT Geek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:37 pm

Maths is right. The link posted is about a "partition" of property, not a transfer. A partition occurs where a jointly owned property is split between joint owners. For example a jointly owned field is split so that the owners each own a part outright.

DemonicKidney
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Re: Gifting mortgaged joint property to other non-family Party - no SDLT?

Postby DemonicKidney » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:39 pm

AH, I see - that explains it.

Many thanks. Look like they'll need to stump up some dosh to the Exchequer...


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