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Offshore loan - mixed fund impact

rr296
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Offshore loan - mixed fund impact

Postby rr296 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pm

am I right in understanding that the proceeds from an offshore loan constitute 'clean capital'? I am talking about a true offshore loan with proceeds that are kept offshore, not about an onshore loan with offshore security...

As I am working through a set of mixed funds, I have come across the following 2 examples of such offshore loans. I am simplifying them here and used hypothetical figures, but the basics are in line with the situation I am reviewing

1) Unsecured offshore loan
Offshore bank provided me with a £100 loan - to be used for a future offshore investment.
The loan proceeds were transferred into one of my offshore accounts - containing £50 of offshore income (say RFI). Post-transfer that offshore account contains £150 of which £50 RFI and £100 loan proceeds.
The offshore investment opportunity then fell away after a month or so - for legitimate external reasons - and the loan was settled offshore from this account containing £150. Post-settlement, there is £50 left in the account.
How does that £50 get looked at? Do the mixed fund offshore transfer rules apply and is the £100 of loan proceeds regarded as clean capital? In which case, I have used 67 of capital (ie loan proceeds) and 33 of RFI to settle the loan, and I am left with 33 of capital and 17 of RFI in the account.

2) Secured offshore loan (ie margin type loan)
similar scenario as above but now all funds are actually used to purchase an offshore investment (for value of 150) over which the offshore lender takes security in a margin loan type set-up. that investment is sold after some years at a slight gain, say for 175 and the loan is settled from the sale proceeds, leaving 75 in the account.
using the same logic as above - am I now left with 14 of CG, 29 of RFI and 57 of clean capital having used 11 of CG, 21 of RFI and 43 of capital to settle the loan out of the pre-settlement balance of 25 CG, 50 RFI and 100 capital?

Thoughts / feedback welcome...

maths
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Re: Offshore loan - mixed fund impact

Postby maths » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:17 pm

The loan proceeds receipt constitute "clean capital" [s809Q(4)].

Application of loan proceeds constitutes an "offshore transfer" [s809R(5)] thus proportion of each kind of income/gains/capital apply [s809R(4)].

Assumes, as appears to be be the case, that no part of mixed fund is received in the UK by a "relevant person" .

rr296
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Re: Offshore loan - mixed fund impact

Postby rr296 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:35 pm

Thanks as always maths for your prompt answer including source references!

maths
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Re: Offshore loan - mixed fund impact

Postby maths » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:35 pm

am I now left with 14 of CG, 29 of RFI and 57 of clean capital having used 11 of CG, 21 of RFI and 43 of capital to settle the loan out of the pre-settlement balance of 25 CG, 50 RFI and 100 capital?
Out of pre-settlement balance (as you say) of 25CG; 50 RFI; and 100 capital you then use:

100/175 times 25, 50 and 100 giving 14, 57 and 29 used to repay 100 loan.

This leaves behind 11CG; 43Capital; and 21 RFI.

rr296
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Re: Offshore loan - mixed fund impact

Postby rr296 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 pm

thanks again for picking up on that - looks like I had accidentally transposed the clean capital and the offshore transfer from my calc...


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