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Where Taxpayers and Advisers Meet

COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

davidkypros
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COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby davidkypros » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:48 pm

I have a cop 9 investigation and I am not happy with the national accountancy firm I have been with for last couple of years - they just process! I am non uk domiciled and I seek a no-nonsense individual that knows the law to negotiate a favourable outcome with HMRC. Do specialist accountants or solicitors give best representation? Can you recommend anyone that is also reasonable with their fees? I am based in the midlands but happy to travel for right referral.Thanks.

LozaACCS
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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby LozaACCS » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:10 pm

I do not think you can answer your question so simply, its about finding the right people to argue and present your case.
As a minimum you should look for advisers with plenty of experience in dealing with HMRC at a high level.

We do civil and criminal cases, we are in the black country, if you want to discuss further ring 07790356873

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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby scottie2 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:37 am

Hi there-you require people who have the expertise and knowledge in how to deal with HMRC and CoP9 enquiries. We specialise in such work and pride ourselves in defending the client's interests fully and achieving very favourable outcomes for them. Have a look at our webiste for more information and get in touch if you want to have a discussion about your particular issues. regards, Manoj-manoj.anand@wlhtax.co.uk-www.wlhtax.co.uk

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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby King_Maker » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:48 am

Have you looked under the "Find a Professional" tab?

http://www.taxationweb.co.uk/directory/ ... n=0&type=8

Tax Champion
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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby Tax Champion » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:43 pm

I would recommend http://www.taxchampion.co.uk/index.php but as it is me I would of course.

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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby wamstax » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:58 pm

First a word of caution; if it has taken you two years to get to the conclusion that you are not happy with your tax investigation specialists I think that you need to ask yourself a few questions before jumping ship so to speak.

The first is why aren't you now satisfied? If it is the costs then clearly this is something that should not be coming as a surprise because any COP9 specialist worth their salt will be able to explain exactly what sort of fees will be involved in most COP9 investigations. You only get what you pay for (EXCEPT of course in my case where my fees are intentionally kept well below the sort of fees being charged by others who are COP9 Specialists).

Secondly after two years I would have expected HMRC to be jumping up and down for the report - unless there have been legitimate reasons for delays being experienced. If the report has already gone in then what are you expecting to get out of the new investigators? Do you also appreciate that any new investigator/COP9 tax adviser is inevitably going to have to get up to speed and is unlikely to either have access to their predecessors working papers or be prepared to put their neck on the block based on the work performed by somebody that may not have got it right. This will cause fees to potentially be duplicated.

Then you might also have to look at your self. Have you co-operated fully by giving your advisers all relevant documentation and explanations when discussing matters with them or when asked and been wholly open and honest with your adviser. If you have then perhaps your decision should have come much earlier if there were signs matters were not being dealt with diligently. Your comment regarding them only processing is a bit worrying as any COP9 report will inevitably involve a great deal of interaction between the client and the tax adviser.

Next if the report has gone in then any new investigator is going to be firefighting with reported conclusions - WHICH YOU MUST HAVE SIGNED OFF - being challenged or questioned.

As regards your comment that you are non-UK domiciled this may well be correct (and domicile of origin is quite an adhesive character) however it is not clear cut. Additionally you may well be aware of the changes that took place in 2008 and therefore the potentially more intrusive review of post 2008 transactions that would be required in preparing such a report or being exposed to HMRC challenge if the work had not been done thoroughly.

All in all, without knowing the detail of how your COP9 investigation has proceeded - or hiccupped along - it is difficult to say what would serve you best value. This could either be a kick up the advisers butt if they haven't given the service they said they would and/or a question mark over the fees charged and being chargeable or a long hard critical discussion with them as to how you feel they are/have let you down. In which event I don't suppose they can look at you recommending them or giving them a testimonial.
If of course a change of tax adviser is the only way you see going forward then clearly all of you, your new adviser and HMRC should discuss the matter as COP9 CDF/CIF Investigation teams are from my experience pretty keen to ensure that all concerned in the matters are knowing what is going on (with regular progress reports from the opening meeting to settlement).

If however matters have degenerated beyond repair and a change is the only reasonable way forward - after speaking to your present specialist - then feel free to give me a call on 0775 1720507 but I cannot say that I would be rushing to take you on and you would have to be adamant that you wanted a new COP9 specialist involved and recognise the downsides to such a change in personnel. Of course your present advisers might even be minded to have a review carried out of the work they have done - for discussion with you - and I am if needed available for this sort of 2nd opinion.
regards and hope this helps
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Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby wamstax » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:09 pm

As to whether a good accountant or solicitor will serve you best I would have to say that it is basically not whether the person is a good accountant or a good solicitors BUT a tax adviser who knows exactly what the COP9 procedure is all about; what the ramifications of various scenarios would be likely to be as regards tax and most of all somebody who can honestly serve you well with your circumstances.

There is no easy answer and some national accountancy and solicitor firms engage ex HMRC Investigators or Senior Inspectors like myself so that the firms qualifications are not necessarily the be all of deciding who is going to do best for you. Experience on the HMRC side and/or fighting them for years can be equally valid in getting you the result.
regards and hope this helps
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Re: Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby Generix » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:18 am

As to whether a good accountant or solicitor will serve you best I would have to say that it is basically not whether the person is a good accountant or a good solicitors BUT a tax adviser who knows exactly what the COP9 procedure is all about; what the ramifications of various scenarios would be likely to be as regards tax and most of all somebody who can honestly serve you well with your circumstances.

There is no easy answer and some national accountancy and solicitor firms engage ex HMRC Investigators or Senior Inspectors like myself so that the firms qualifications are not necessarily the be all of deciding who is going to do best for you. Experience on the HMRC side and/or fighting them for years can be equally valid in getting you the result.

Pretty much this.
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davidkypros
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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby davidkypros » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:44 pm

I finally went with WLH Tax and a better choice i could not have made. these guys make the whole process more agreeable, they are professional, knowledgeable and patient. Look no further you are in great hands! http://www.taxationweb.co.uk/forum/posting.php?

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Re: COP 9 - Good accountants or solicitors?

Postby wamstax » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:38 pm

Pleased that our advice helped and that you got satisfaction in the end
regards and hope this helps
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