Making Tax Digital

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By mikeyban
23rd Feb 2024 09:57
How many poor children could have been given more education, better food, warmer clothes.

If enough people tell you are sick..... lie down.

This will not work . Are they waiting for a new Government so they do not have the embarrassment of saying they have wasted a shed load of time and money.

It's sad to watch HMRC not be honest.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
23rd Feb 2024 09:20
Given this is a dead project, HMRC would do well looking up the stages of grief.

They are still very early on in the "denial" stage.

I dont think anyone is taking this project serioulsy outside of the PR team at HMRC. And they are only doing it for the £££££ and probably dont belive their own statements.

I thought most of the third party software houses had largely given up on it - and they are critial for delivery. Many have spent some very serious sums of money on this project and its come to nothing. Accountants of course are quite rightly just laughing in HMRC's face on this.

You cant deliver a mad project like this just by willing it into existence.

Its a failed project. Dead, gone but they are just enjoying spending the cash.


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By Rob Swan
23rd Feb 2024 09:51
"You cant deliver a mad project like this just by willing it into existence."
But they're giving it their best shot. Probably go off like a Trident missile test

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There are also questions around data security and, with rumours flying around that the software company behind the Horizon scandal, Fujistu, may be behind the MTD system, anxiety is peaking over what happens and who is penalised when the system inevitably gets things wrong.

Play the Jaws film music again.

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By RichBatoul
23rd Feb 2024 10:39
MTD - must be part of the £1.4bn contracts currently with Fujitsu.

No problem there then, Fujitsu will be able to amend (without trace) 12 million SA records and all the self-employed will be convicted of tax dodging.

Problem sorted - the self-employed will then be housed on floating detention centres and there will be so many of them it will block the Channel.

Then there will not be enough room for the ribs to cross from France and our illegal immigration problems will be solved too.

Simples

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By AdamJones82
15th Mar 2024 18:16
Ogilvie emphasised to the attendees at FAB that MTD ITSA is “going to happen”. Best joke I've heard in ages.

How the hell can 1000 people (if they even get that many) be a meaningful proper test. And public testing within the 12 months before launch? Gives no time whatsoever to make changes.

FIVE software developers with products. WOWEEEE

They're making it up as they go along

"we can start doing some adventurous things with the tax system" - how about getting the current one to a workable, serviceable standard? HMRC can't cope.


By FactChecker
15th Mar 2024 20:54
Has anyone explained to Ogilvie the meaning of the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' fable?

That if you just keep repeating the same thing (which each time fails to happen), then you aren't 'reinforcing' your message ... you (and the message) just become a laughing stock.
Oh, and when your latest failure leaves you in deepest doo-dah (or the wolf's jaws) ... your final thoughts are likely to be 'if only I'd told the truth then maybe people would want to help me'.

It would be funny (in a cruel way) to watch this project unfold towards it's latest failed deadline ... if it wasn't for the fact that it may well take HMRC (and so the Nation's revenue gatherers) beyond the brink. Selfish I know, but I'm out!

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By Open all hours
15th Mar 2024 20:05
800K+ phones not answered in January and they have the nerve to reheat this stuff.
Where’s the reply to my letters from last September?
Faith, hope and charity almost exhausted

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By kevinringer
18th Mar 2024 13:21
"HMRC to kick off MTD ITSA testing on 22 April"

Deja vu all over again - checkout https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tech/practice-software/mtd-pilot-offers-... from 7 years ago. HMRC are no further forward. The purpose of a pilot is to test. The fact that the 1 year test started 7 years ago should tell HMRC that MTD is a failure. But HMRC can't accept this because HMRC seems to think MTD is the reason HMRC exists and HMRC needs to show something for the £1.3 billion HMRC has wasted on MTD whilst HMRC's non-MTD services collapse. So HMRC dumbs down tax to try and make it fit with MTD. Surely even HMRC can see that MTD is a failure.

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By Mr J Andrews
18th Mar 2024 16:35
Which planet is Ogilvie on ? Does he not realise the all time low his department has sunk to under his head honcho ? And then he has the gall to invite us to participating in the mess he's inherited. Sorry Ogilvie ; invitation declined. Your mess ; you dig yourself out.
Ogilvie must however be commended for the best 2024 MTD euphemism to date :
''.....things haven't been perfect in the past.......''. This must have lit up the luminaries faces.

The sad and deplorable aspects of these continual propaganda HMRC ''presentations'' brings home how we have all lost track of the initial whims of George Osborne. Remember the comical HMRC published booklets about how much life would be easier for the general public under MTD ? Now Ogilvie rounds off by wanting to take ''more senior'' HMRC people out to business and spend more time with bookkeepers and accountants. God knows how this will help Joe Public.
You, Ogilvie have inherited a lost plot in the indoctrination chain .

It would indeed be nice to sit Sir Jim down in a room and have him make small talk with his customers for over an hour waiting for HMRC to answer the phone and then be cut off. Sir Jim would of course still receive his monthly salary in full....unlike those in business who have to make a profit to get paid. Perhaps if Jeremy said 'Jim, we are going to deduct £100 from your salary every time someone has to wait more than 15 minutes for their call to be answered', it might concentrate his focus to where it should be.

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By johnthegood
20th Mar 2024 12:32
Dear Jim,

Your P45 will be sent to you in the post, if you do not receive it please first allow at least 18 months for it to arrive, we need to tell you that chasing us for it will create further delays, did you also know that you can do everything online anyway.

If you have properly authorised an agent to handle your affairs please also be aware that it is more then likely they will never be sent any useful information when we mistakenly amend your Self Assessment return, this will cause them an incredible amount of time and stress, as well as costing you more in fees, which is just the way we like it.

Finally we take this opportunity to thank you for not yet successfully implementing the Making [***] look Delicious project, we view this as a great success and your ability to push on through, carrying on regardless and denying all the facts that everyone else can see will be our guiding principle as we continue to insist that [***] does indeed look delicious.

Yours Faithfully

The Robot that you have been replaced with.

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The long running 5 times over budget HMRC farce continues!

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tax/hmrc-policy/guidance-sheds-light-on-developers-mtd-it-reluctance?cm-uuid=9c7e48c7-22ae-47eb-ae35-da823e2668af&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AWUKTAX130524&utm_content=AWUKTAX130524+CID_b93b1fdcb6dade9e952027e40661f494&utm_source=internal_cm&utm_term=Read%20more

By kevinringer
13th May 2024 09:48
"Taxpayers who sign up to voluntarily stress-test the MTD IT infrastructure in 2024-25 are required to agree to the new penalties regime, will not be able to change their accounting period (which must align to the tax year) or accounting method, and cannot claim carry back of losses.
In exchange, they are invited to migrate to MTD early."

What an offer; in exchange for taking on all the hassle of MTD the victim is prevented from carrying back losses. Of course they might not expect losses, but losses can still happen. Who in January 2020 expected to be impacted by losses over the next 12 months?

In 2017 Theresa Middleton made a similar tempting offer for the MTD pilot, but without the added benefit of being unable to carry back losses. See https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tech/practice-software/mtd-pilot-offers-....

MTD is unique in that HMRC has already piloted the pilot, yet HMRC seems to have learned nothing from the first pilot.


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By Rob Swan
13th May 2024 10:02
The first pilot ejected over enemy territory and, as yet, has not been found; presumed 'missing in action'. Hence the lack of learning methinks

Sorry. Just coundn't help myself
I'll see myself out....