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Repatriation of Money out of UK

Taan
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Postby Taan » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:46 pm

we have a company formed in UK. The company operates in the field of Manpower Recruitment. It is a 100% subsidiary of an Indian Company.

What is the maximum limit of remitting funds to India. Is it required by law to retain some earnings in UK itself?

Can the Indian holding comapny raise an invoice on its UK Subsidiary? to what extent.

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Postby Simon Sweetman » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:18 pm

This is going to get complicated, but there is no limit on what the UK company can pay to the Indian parent company. What is tax deductible for it (and can be invoiced) is - roughly - going to be a charge representing the market value of the management services etc provided by the parent. That is subject to the transfer pricing rules but essentially they operate by looking for market value.

It can of course pay dividends to the holding company without limit (except as to its profitability).

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Postby AA UK » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:35 am

I do not believe that full advice can be provided other than by the company's accountants in India and the UK talking to each other given that both sets of rules will need to be considered!

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Postby Taxbar » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:40 am

I think you are talking about using the UK Company as an agency Company.

Sadly, there is no fixed amount and you will need to have a contract in place agreeing a percentage of profits or a management services agreement charging the UK Company for the Indian Companies time.

As Simon says; any arrangement needs to be carried out at the ARMS LENGTH BASIS. That means at the same price as an independent third party would charge to carry out the same or similar work.

You will need advice from a Transfer Pricing adviser to arrive at a justifiable arms length price and this is now the UK Companies legal responsibility.

If the Revenue & Customs examine the relationship and dispute the price for the services, you will be laible to interest and penalties of up to 100% of the adjustment; if you have not carried out this exercise and have a proper contract in place.

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Postby Wealth Protector » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:32 pm

.... or you can of course use a special Remuneration Trust or a Factoring Services Trust and remove the funds offshore (Jersey for preference so that you can take advantage of the pound for pound indemnity) and effect this through a reputable specialist lawyer or solicitor and thus be protected by their considerable Indemnity Insurance if anything goes wrong - which hasn't happened in the ten years such strategies have been in existence. The effect of such a strategy, without going into technical detail here, is to legitimately remove the funds from the trading entity so that they are then not liable to taxation or litigation. The funds can then be accessed from wherever in the form of a loan which I believe is not taxable anywhere, the terms of which can be stipulated to the trustees to whomsoever's advantage as is appropriate.
Hope this helps
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Postby johnfkavanagh » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:22 pm

As other threads show, while Rex Ashcroft makes substantial claims for the products he promotes, he does not appear to be willing to provide any evidence in support of those claims, despite requests from others on the forum that he should do so.

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Postby Wealth Protector » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:32 pm

I refer you to my previous posting, and.....

....on the matter of Remuneration Trusts, their bona-fide and the Dextra Case, I submit the following to clarify matters beyond all doubt and in the hope that it will also end the childish and totally unnecessary, undignified character assassination some contributors consider it their right to dish out.......

I have asked Mr Ashcroft to post this message on my behalf.

It has come to my attention that various contributors to this Forum have made extraordinarily critical comments upon the use of Remuneration Trusts. Those comments seems chiefly to rely upon: (i) the advancement of technical remarks in a Forum context which was never designed to accomodate them, and for lack of space degenerate into rather unsophisticated charge and counter-charge; and (ii) ad hominem attacks, which in my view have no proper place in any reasoned debate.

I am the senior partner of Baxendale Walker, Solicitors, a 5 partner firm with offices in London, Nottingham, Glasgow and South Africa. I have specialised in tax and commercial trust law for 20 years. I am the author (with Andrew Thornhill QC) of The Law and Taxation of Remuneration Trusts and several other books. I am currently writing the 2nd Edition of LTRT. I trust, therefore, that no ad hominem challenge will be made to my expert professional qualifications.

Mr Ashcroft in the Forum recently quoted substantial parts of the Information Release issued by my Firm on the Dextra litigation. Naturally, I endorse such quotation. The criticism of it is flawed, primarily because the relevant decision to those expert and professionally advising on current R.T. planning was not that of their Lordships, but that of the High Court, from which the Revenue did not appeal. The High Court decision (affirming that of the Special Commissioners) was that:

(1) Contributions to an R.T. are deductible for corporation tax on ordinary accounting and tax law principles;

(2) R.T.Â’s do not constitute tax avoidance;

(3) Loans from an R.T. to directors or employees are not taxable as income;

(4) Distributions to sub-trusts are not taxable as income.


None of these rulings was appealed by the Revenue. They are decisions of English law which bind the Revenue and the Special Commissioners for all future R.T. cases. In view of these rulings, it is apparent that an R.T. does not constitute a ‘Reportable Tax Avoidance Scheme’.

Their Lordships expressly ruled that contributions to an R.T. are deductible for corporation tax on ordinary accounting and tax law principles. They ruled that the 1989 statute (substantially repealed by Finance Act 2003, as amended by Finance Act 2004) did have effect to delay the deduction of contributions for corporation tax purposes in relation to a specific type of R.T. Their ruling does not affect those other types of R.T. and other corporate commercial trusts utilised by clients of my Firm.

One appreciates the general cynicism with which tax service offerings on a public web site are viewed. In relation to the advice given by my Firm to its clients, such cynicism is however misplaced: (i) The establishment of any corporate RT and the timing and amount of any contributions to it are and must always be declared openly on the face of the founding companyÂ’s accounts. There can never be any question of hiding the matter from the Revenue; (ii) my Firm invariably makes available to the Revenue not merely all documents concerning an R.T. but our otherwise privileged written advice also. Given that I publish entire Books on these matters, this is hardly surprising.

So far as I am aware, Mr Ashcroft uses exclusively my Firm for the professional provision of legal advice and assistance to his clients in establishing R.T.Â’s and other matters. The Revenue has never contended that R.T.Â’s established by such clients fall subject to the deductibility restrictions now affirmed by their Lordships.

I am grateful to the Forum Administrator for allowing publication of this long posting. I would respectfully suggest that if any Contributor wishes to engage in debate of the above matters, he should contribute an Article to Taxation or The Tax Journal, with notice to this ForumÂ’s readership. I or other contributors to these professional journals can then respond. Such publications have sufficient space to allow the intricacies of these highly sophisticated technical issues to be debated at proper length.

I trust that my intervention will not be regarded as stifling debate, but attempting to nurture it in the approriate professional forum.

Paul Baxendale-Walker
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