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Self-employment, Other Taxable Income Question

ladylines
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Self-employment, Other Taxable Income Question

Postby ladylines » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:35 pm

Hi,

I have a question on "Other Taxable Income". The instructions states "certain miscellaneous income are no more than £1,000 they are exempt from tax and do not need to be reported on a tax return".

My question is this, say the "Other Taxable Income" went over the £1000 and (for example) came to £2000. Say also that the personal allowance and lower rate tax was already used up in PAYE employment and so all other income is in the 40% bracket. Then how is the £2000 of Self-Employment income taxed, is it;

a) 40% on the whole £2000, tax due being £800. Declare £2000 on the tax return.
b) 40% on anything over £1000, tax due being £400. Only declare the additional £1000 on the tax return.
c) 40% on anything over £1000, tax due being £400. Declare £2000 on the tax return but only pay £400 tax on it.

If it is a) then then it doesn't make sense because that way, £1000 of casual earnings is tax free, giving a net trading income of £1000, but £1001 would cost £400.40 tax giving a net trading income of £600.40.

Any clarification appreciated,
Thanks.

pawncob
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Re: Self-employment, Other Taxable Income Question

Postby pawncob » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:19 pm

HMRC helps with this:
From 6 April 2017 receipts from self-employment and miscellaneous income of £1,000 or less are exempt from tax and don’t need to be reported on a tax return. Individuals with total receipts of more than £1,000 can elect to calculate their taxable miscellaneous income by deducting the allowance of up to £1,000 instead of those expenses that had to be spent to earn this income. If, however you’ve already claimed part or all of your £1,000 trading income allowance against self-employed income then it is the unused amount, if any, that can be deducted to determine the taxable miscellaneous income.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/other-taxable-income-hs325-self-assessment-helpsheet

So I guess you use the allowance and include £1000 as the income.(b)
With a pinch of salt take what I say, but don't exceed your RDA

jerome.lane
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Re: Self-employment, Other Taxable Income Question

Postby jerome.lane » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:16 am

In this scenario, you would show £2,000 of s/e income on the TR and claim the £1,000 trading allowance, giving £1,000 taxable.
Where turnover is more than £1,000, the trading allowance is a fixed deduction you can claim instead of your actual expenses.
So if you had allowable expenses exceeding £1,000 you would instead include them.
Jerome Lane
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ladylines
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Re: Self-employment, Other Taxable Income Question

Postby ladylines » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:04 am

That's great. I was getting confused between self-employment and casual income (other taxable income). Ultimately, I think if I earn irregular, small amounts of ad-hoc income, then it counts of casual income, but if it becomes regular and heads towards being a business, then I move toward self employed, which is ultimately where I want to get to. And earning over £1000 is fine because the "trading income" allowance spans both self-employment and casual income. Unfortunately, my graphics and design business currently stands at exactly zero profit with no income as yet, but the only way is up! :D Thanks all.

Note the helpful links for self-employment/casual income and tax free allowances where these;

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/other-taxable-income-hs325-self-assessment-helpsheet
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tax-free-allowances-on-property-and-trading-income


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