Postby EPS » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:58 pm
thanks again for your response it really is helpful.
All 3 daughters and each spouse are named as potential beneficiaries, in each of their trusts due to its discretionary nature - however, it was apparent that he wanted to look after his daughter, and her issue, and Mrs wanted to look after her bloodline.
With reference to each have a separate individual investment bond and therefore have individual proposal forms (an ifa dealt with that unconnected with us) but yes al this was individual.
Invoice and Payments were made by them to us as a single transaction per engagement unfortunately, They are also claiming other engagements of planning over the last 5 years are associated operations which I feel is totally wrong as that included Wills, Lasting Powers of Attorneys and advice and meeting fees etc.
The 3rd party they instructed has also referred to them as Laypersons and so loaded the problem by asking the question why would they have participated in this type of planning, Fortunately we can clearly evidence in emails from MR and his IFA, that the is very familiar with Tax and IHT, being a retired Accountant and has done his own tax calculations in the past.
I have pasted the STANDARD LIFE ARTICLE they are relying on - it is under the banner Associated Operations.
1. Mr Jones sets up an onshore investment bond subject to a discretionary trust. His wife is a potential beneficiary of the trust. Shortly afterward Mrs Jones takes out her own bond also subject to a discretionary trust. Under this trust Mr Jones is a potential beneficiary. Taken in isolation, neither of these trust arrangements is a gift with reservation. However, because of the reciprocal nature of the arrangement, these transactions could be treated as associated operations. When looked at as a single event the arrangement would become a gift with reservation. This is a problem not just for married couples but any reciprocal arrangements, whatever the nature of the relationship between the parties.The problem could have been avoided if the trusts allowed the widow/widower as a beneficiary but not the spouse.
Grateful for your time one last time if you don't mind please.
Many thanks again.